Bible Study – S1E4 – Order of the Rose

Bible Study – S1E4 – Order of the Rose

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A Wednesday-night Bible study begins not with scripture but with a prayer to the Queen of Heaven, one that names her Ceres, Venus, Diana, and Proserpina in a single breath, and Ammon Hillman calls that the doorway into the Order of the Rose. The man who wrote the prayer, he notes, was a magus once put on trial for magic — the kind of voice he says the mystery tradition never stopped honoring. A guest, Travis Kitchens, then links the Johns Hopkins psychedelic trials to Appalachian serpent-handling churches and to the Hood mysticism scale used to measure them.

The text work lands on Revelation 12, where the woman is chased by the dragon. Hillman slows down at the “two wings of the great eagle,” aetos (ἀετός), a word the lexica define at once as a bird of omen, a military standard, a bandage, and even a fabulous Libyan plant. He reads that eagle as the one that ate Prometheus’ liver — and, through Valerius Flaccus, as Medea. The passage then pivots on one verb, orgaō (ὀργάω), “to grow ripe, to swell with lust,” whose root gives orge (ὀργή), meaning both desire and anger.

From that root he traces the whole org- family and a cousin verb, sphrigaō (σφριγάω), “full to bursting, plump — especially of a woman’s breasts,” which he ties to the budding rose of the episode’s title. The payoff is one claim: the woman, the rose, and the dragon are a single cult drama of estrus, and the throne of Satan is the star itself — the Asterion (ἀστέριον) through which oistros (οἶστρος), the gadfly-sting of frenzy, lets the initiate be born again. Revelation, he insists, was not John’s prose but the Sibyl’s music.

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Welcome back to Lady Babylon. This is Wednesday night Bible study. Tonight we will be covering a range of topics that all center around the storm of the drugs and the mystery. We’ll be able to talk with a special guest, Travis Kitchens, and hopefully make some commotion.
well tonight i thought we would start out by uh giving the offerings of a dead mage
a dead magus uh who washed ashore recently um he’s been dead for almost 2 000 years
but he was put on trial he was put on trial for magic and uh it turned out well he came through
okay he ended up writing a whole bunch of stuff and um yeah i just want to resurrect his words
this is a prayer and this is a prayer like i am sure you have never heard um yeah let’s hear the
words of the magus himself oh queen of heaven whether you are bountiful series the primal
mother of crops who in joy at the recovery of your daughter took away from men their primal
animal fodder of acorns and showed them gentler nourishment and now dwell in the land of Eleusis
or heavenly Venus who at the first foundation of the universe united the diversity of the
sexes by creating love and propagated the human race through ever-recurring progeny and now you
are worshipped on the island sanctuary of Paphos or Phoebus’s sister who brought forth populous
multitudes by relieving the delivery of offspring with your soothing remedies and now are venerated
at the illustrious shrine at ephesus or dreaded proserpina of the nocturnal howls who in triple
form repress the attacks of ghosts and keep the gates to earth closed fast roam through widely
scattered groves and are propitiated by diverse rights you who illumine every city with your
womanly light i told you you never heard a prayer like this nourish the joyous seeds with your moist
fires and dispense beams of fluctuating radiance according to the convolutions
of the sun by whatever name with whatever right in whatever image it is meet to invoke you that’s
the prayer um tonight we’re going to try to penetrate into the a world that it’s hard to
believe exists um there’s a shock to it you won’t understand it won’t feel good it won’t feel right
uh and that’s where we deep we deep dive so i want to deep dive with some real life chemistry
and some real life serpents and in order to start there we’re going to start in order to get there
We’re going to start with Travis Kitchens. Travis Kitchens. And Travis, would you mind
regaling us a little bit about your background with Kentucky? And just lead us into the subject,
Travis. When most people think of Kentucky, they think of the mountainous region of Kentucky,
people playing banjos, the whole tradition of folk music over there. Then there’s Central Kentucky,
which is horses and bourbon. Then there’s Western Kentucky, which the Green River cuts right through
it i’m from that region of kentucky so my interest in uh cervid handling cults does not really come
from my background it comes from my uh participation in a study uh at johns hopkins school of medicine
a psychedelic clinical trial and i became interested in the background of these studies
and the science behind these studies and one of the things i found interesting about them
is that um most of their footnotes are from comparative religion and the psychology of
religion and uh more specifically william james the main measurement that hopkins uses the hood
mysticism scale was created by a man named ralph hood who’s a professor and psychologist at ut
chattanooga and he is an expert in serpent handling cults um so i that’s how i became interested in
them and of course i said oh that’s weird i never thought that the johns hopkins psychedelic study
you know the history of psychedelic researcher albert hoffman and timothy leary and all these
these very highly educated intellectuals and aristocrats
like Aldous Huxley, I thought, oh, there’s a tie-in
to what I perceived as sort of semi-primitive
religious cults from Appalachia.
Semi-primitive religious cults.
You feel where we landed?
Boom, got a little dust up in there.
You can smell it.
Semi-primitive religious cults.
I bet these cults have something to do with music.
and I’d like to introduce you to somebody
who’s actually living and sings.
Yeah, you’re gonna hear some of the heart.
You’re gonna hear some of the heart
of this old, old, musty, burning purple mystery.
Yes, please.
One day nothing of this world will remain
say we’re ever here stone erased today so we’ve got snakes and we’ve got old cultural
conceptions of drugs and animals plants things that you can take into your body mingled with
the idea of ecstasy and uh tell me travis can we just take these atheists and tie them down and
drug them? You know, these studies produce all kinds of weird experiences. They’ve done, you
know, let me give you one. They’ve done a informal survey study, but they published a paper on it
that showed that 90% of atheists who took psychedelics after one experience weren’t
atheists anymore. This is dismaying to many of the psychedelic researchers because it makes
people essentially believe in supernatural things you have lots of alien alien encounter experiences
alien entity experiences um telepathy many people there’s reports of telepathy um out of body
experiences um speaking to dead relatives um it’s the whole panorama of supernatural experiences so
so so the answer to your question is they’re having a whole lot of trouble separating those
things from the therapeutic experience because it seems to be that this experience of god is
the therapeutic benefit so we can bring therapy we this is fantastic look what we’ve got we’ve got
the cult up and running um there’s a great great psycho analyzing trauma healing warrior uh with
with the DR in front of his name and expertise in Jung.
And I thought I would add his quote of the day at this point
just to tie everything together.
And this is in the context of us discussing the treatment,
the treatment of the modern mind,
the treatment of the soul, right?
I would have given you the water of life.
And this is what we’re discussing because John is right on the frontier of that.
And he’s right in there.
He’s in the think tank.
He’s right in there.
He knows what he’s doing.
And where are we, John?
What can we do?
Go ahead.
Yeah, you can’t just give someone hermaphroditic sex juice.
That’s a lot.
That says a lot.
That says a lot.
Yeah.
Where are we?
in bible studies we are in the apocalypse of john and don’t get your pants in a bunch
if i tell you that this thing was never written by a man could not have been written by a man
and uh will be shown not to have been written by a man it was written by a sibyl it was composed
it’s music and we’re gonna go dance with the dragon and see what that has to do with the order
of the Rose. But before we do, I want to thank, I want to thank Travis, but
I want to thank Travis for reaching out to artists who are buried and who
try to honor the muse this way. Remember, we’re not, all of us are here because of the muse.
you can’t come to this templum this sacred space that we have constructed without following the
muse uh so so thank you travis um we’re talking about a rose and the order thereof yeah the order
of the rose we’re going to start and end up with in the same place and that that place starts with
a romance and it ends with sappho on the island of lesbos yeah and the power of this goddess that we
just prayed to and and i wanted that to stick in your minds because that is a is a prayer that you
wouldn’t you wouldn’t necessarily uh associate with today in the midst of our modern culture
global the whole thing um so i want to shock you into the common place in antiquity where it
doesn’t seem odd that we have a female that we are recognizing as the divine power that guides us all
yes the the very right author of life um beautiful stuff could you give your yellow roses now
you see the image of the budding rose
and this image I am transferring to you
so that you will be able to sit within the mind
of our ancient audience,
this budding, this swelling.
This is the orge.
This is the, we’re about to look at a passage.
It’s the orge.
It’s the moment that we’re all looking for.
It’s why we’re all here, right?
And this moment is going to appear
in the 12th chapter of the book of john’s called the apocalypse yes um i want to look at this
section i want to look at the dragon and you remember this is about the woman um who’s having
the child and it’s about the dragon and it’s about this inner inner relationship and the chasing
yes yes let’s look at the text shall we pull up the greek please fantastic i’m one step behind
just give me a second and i’m gonna move my chair over so you can see just this
just the side of my face you might as well um yeah yeah verse 13 here yeah
when the dragon saw that he was thrown to the earth
yeah dioko to pursue to pursue to pursue this is this is a good word because it can be for the
sake of advances a passion a passion a consuming passion a pursuit good good sorry yeah uh um
the one that bore the child like i told you and uh it was given to her what
was given to her. Oh, this is wonderful. Now, this is where you might profit by coming tonight.
You might profit here. This is the best place to learn this. Are you ready? Because you’re not
going to find it elsewhere, right? Nobody cares. Look at this. She has two wings. They were given
are two wings, but it says wings to Aetu, which in an Aetu is translated as an eagle. Can we bring
Aetu up, please? Yes. Yeah. Look at this. This is a wonderful, lovely, lovely word here. Whoops,
I’m sorry. This is a lovely word here. You’re going to love this. An eagle. But notice what
they say. An eagle is a bird of omen. An eagle is a bird of omen. It’s very important that you
the omen there remember they don’t see the same eagle that you do surprise here we go eagle is
a standard that’s nice number two omen so an eagle can be an omen excellent um look at number five is
the name of a bandage that’s cool obviously from the shape uh and the temporal nice uh look at
at number eight in astrology and magic. It’s a fabulous plant growing in Libya. That’s from
Galen. Yeah. So that’s where you get a lot of your good info from those docs. But listen to me,
this eagle, it’s not just any eagle. If we can pull up the text again, this is the eagle, which
one to i2 to megalu and by the way there is a digamma it’s awetu or awetos is it’s got the
diagram it’s an old old old mycenaean word old excellent i love pointing pointing out digams
we’re gonna have a club of digamas um what which one the eagle megalu this is the title of the one
the great eagle the one that represents and accompanies zeus god do you hear me god zeus
the eagle’s wings were given to her and to this woman and not just any eagles but the great eagles
this great eagle is the same one that you have seen who stands over prometheus and removes his
liver eats out his liver and as valerius flaccus would tell you that eagle is the medua the media
yeah yeah so now okay now what do we have we have a little bit of context in here we have a little
bit of, you know, linguistic fingerprintery so that we can say, well, what is this text really
talking about? What’s going on? Yes. Okay. So let’s go down. Let’s go down to verse 17.
And the dragon, bring me up. I need everybody to see this. This is huge. The dragon did what
to the woman yeah yeah epite gunaki epite literally positionally over her what is he doing
he’s he’s orgaoing can we see what this verb orgao is please oh that’s okay yes there we go
you got the right one thank you chewy uh i want you to look at oh now if i can find the right one
Take a look at this. My great multitude. Oh, there it is. Okay, here’s mine. Orgao. Nice,
nice, nice. To be getting ready to bear. Okay, so this is a verb, and it means to be getting
ready to bear. To be getting ready to bear what? Pop, pop, boom, right? It’s that moment. Boom,
that explosion boom of life boom love it growing ripe for something right it’s time you’re growing
ripe you see the rose the order of the rose you’re growing right right nice swelling swelling
something’s swelling look at number roman numeral number two of men it’s like oh free god oh to
swell with lust or to wax wanton or to be rampant is anyone else being rampant i’m not quite sure
what that means exactly i don’t even know what to wax wanton really is um but i understand to swell
with lust that i understand thank you those victorians a round of applause for the victorians
yes we um to be in heat to desire sexual intercourse yes be in heat remember these are
farming cultures that we’re talking about they’ve got livestock they’ve seen the cattle when they
come into estrus wait a minute did somebody say estrus that’s a profound moment it’s easter time
that’s when you do the estrus right fantastic the germans worshipped her what what was her name
ostara i think beautiful stuff oh this is you you can’t look you can’t dive too deep into this
material you you really can’t so here’s our verb orgao you know meaning to wax wanton right to wax
wanton so from that verb we derive a whole slew of different org roots and we’ve get or gay or gay
okay um natural impulse or propensity right to have a here’s the noun it’s an abstract noun
natural temperament disposition but then look at roman numeral number two it also means anger
a person at the point of that orgasm is the is at the point of extreme anger wow and that anger
is the same as that romantic sexual passion wow it must be quite a place to be taken um
by a priestess um with the right pharmaceuticals wow okay that’s that’s fantastic yeah you know
hail satan right let’s get our bucket chorus going tear up into the mountains and steal some babies
yeah there’s baby stealing sorry it’s the blood okay anyway um let’s go to um i want to show you
one more verb that is related and that is free sfrigao sfrigao um yep there wait nope that’s not
here we go yep ah there we are um look at this sfrigao to be full to bursting to be plump
especially of a woman’s breasts so the idea of the life there the nourishment the generation
the beginning and all that kind of stuff the milk i i love to ask dr carl ruck about ancient milks
what kind of milks are there you know um he wrote an entire work on um fluids that come out of the
body fantastic stuff love it sweats anyway uh look at this verb generally of young persons or
high fed horses i’m not quite sure with the yeah i mean i’ve i love horses and i took care of horses
but i’m not quite sure what he’s going for there etc to be fresh vigorous in full health or strength
that bloom the idea of the bloom is in this word it’s in this root system that’s following the org
roots and it’s the idea of the budding to completion kind of a cycle of life right the
efflorescence of the beauty is there the budding of the rose right blossoming nice i’m looking
number four swell with desire or again to be at heat so specifically the period of estrus
and why is it that we are so interested in the estrus because that is um everything within the
cult that is the morning star let’s go back to our text um i’ve told i told you uh from last
week i want to make sure that you understand the the throne because i want you to to be able to
facilitate your initiation into the satanic um way saturnian way and in in order to do that you
really need to understand the direction that you’re going you’re going to unravel to find
out what that source is from the very bottom and you’re going to work with that source to build
what is the real right it’s um it’s a complete reason is all that we can have to guide us bring
us back to the text please chewy yes so what happened uh verse 17.
so he did that orge on her right good good good good good good
okay so and then he goes on to make war with seed um so where are we
um how do we find uh the meaning behind what he’s saying with this with this woman and um this
brakon what is the original right so um we’re not looking at the fiction we don’t want the
fairy tale side we want the the real side so i showed you for just a minute i showed you the
reference to the goddess who relieves the pains of birth. I showed you that. And I want us to
realize that the estrus or the oistrus is that chemical. It’s the concrete real bond that we
have with this history is that chemical. The worshipers of Diana, who was one of this great
goddess that we all are drawn to, who we’ll call Dawn. And we’ll say that Lucifer’s job
is to bring that Dawn to you, to bring her. Wisdom is out in the street. She’s crying out there
saying, if you take me in, I’ll stay with you. Fantastic. So here we are with the dragon and
the estrus, the oistrus. So we are all engaging in something that is developed and supported
by the images that are being generated by women who are in this way. And these women can burn
off your mortality. You can enter into a state through a combination of music or song. They say
the song is the most important element. In combination with pharmaceuticals to interact
with the risen form, they called it. The risen form. And that’s why we’re all here in the
apocalypse right what do you think that what did you think was being revealed right would you yeah
an apocalypse is a revelation it’s a revelation and with that the stroke of 7 30 comes and i i
just want to leave you with an impression um with an impression yeah as as we progress i want you to
be able to sit on the throne. What does that mean? The throne of Satan. What is the throne of Satan?
You can watch a thousand shows. You can watch a thousand shows. You can watch a thousand episodes
on YouTube all about the throne of Satan, and none of them are correct. None of them. Tonight,
I offer you, shut up Jung, I offer you the throne of Satan. What is the throne of Satan? It is the
place from which the satanic power is exercised. It is the star. And if you draw down the star,
you can use the images provided by the dead
to be born again.
You asked about magic last week
and wanting to do the magic
until you are sitting on that throne.
The physics are explained this way.
When it gets in the physics,
I get sort of lost.
But the makeup of the universe is such
that there are compartments
no zones yeah and in these zones one of them is called the wilderness in greek that is where the
power of the saturnian reigns reigns in the wilderness so anytime you see somebody pulled
from uranos which we see in the apocalypse 12 pulled from uranos and shot into the wilderness
this, then you’re seeing an explanation, an analog of how
the physics work between the two dimensions that are overlapping.
Okay. And I can’t go there. Yeah. Um, but what I can do is
tell you how they presented this is accessible to you. Right?
Because we’re all here. Obviously, if you’re listening
me is anybody not here yeah yeah um but in the eremon in that wilderness and uh we’ll see that
come up um uh you are have certain rulers in certain places this is again analog right
analogia so you have certain rulers in certain places and lucifer is the ruler of this world
Your access to that authority and that power, more like October tops, but anyway, that power
comes through the star. I am telling you what the texts have told me through the muse. It comes
through Asterion. That’s how the oistress allows us to become oistromaniacs looking for historia.
yeah yeah it’s gorgeous so um for those of you who have ears to hear you will understand the star
yeah and maybe now you’ll be interested in the order of the rose
chewy would you mind giving our thanks to travis kitchens um i just want to
i just want to thank travis kitchens uh could we play the thanks to travis kitchens
And for the rest of you, I have a couple of questions to answer, and I’m going to save those because there’s two that are directly relevant to Friday night’s satanic initiation, our Sabbath.
and i want everybody there who can to be seated on the throne yes yeah and then maybe we can enter
that state the orgiastic mental quantum state yeah glorious glorious stuff love it we’re going
follow the beast uh and and unfold these texts as you can see exactly what’s being said no bs here
just exactly what it says when it says the seal is a drug that you put in your insert
in your rectum as a suppository right when you break those seals oh now you start to get it
yeah welcome welcome be on that throne next week and hail satan

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